UNII-3 in the UK

cmr
Kind of a big deal
Kind of a big deal

UNII-3 in the UK

I cannot seem to select any of the UNII-3 channels for an MR56 access point in the UK despite them being legal to use since 2017 before the model was designed, let alone sold:

 

Decision to make Wireless Telegraphy Exemption Regulations 2017 (ofcom.org.uk)

 

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Are these channels able to be used elsewhere, or does anyone else in the UK have the ability to use them?

 

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KarstenI
Kind of a big deal

First I wanted to write "Hey, you guys are not even in the EU and you also drive on the wrong side. It's supposed to be different". But then I remembered that I also can't enable them:

 

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(But at least we drive on the correct side of the street😀)

It wouldn't be the first time that Meraki had blocked use of certain channels eventhough they are allowed for use.

 

I'd open a case with Meraki and ask why they are not available. And perhaps CC my local SE/Sales Rep..

Hey team,

 

Thank you for flagging this up. I poked our compliance team to ask for clarification, but I do endorse @rbnielsen , a case may help us track this better 😁

 

I do wonder if there is a matter of conformity to take into consideration, and maybe additional certifications, but I'm not super aware of the various legal implications; the compliance team will be able to dispel the fog, I'm sure. 

 

Will keep you posted once I get an answer, or if anyone has a case open and gets it before me, please do share! 😁

 

Giac

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@KarstenI , if you are accustomed to driving on the right, driving on the left is not that bad... until you take a roundabout. 😜

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KarstenI
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Just looked at some other installations for UNII-3:

 

Australia: available

Singapore: available

a couple of other EU: not available

 

@GiacomoS In UK I always took a cab in the past. I was driving by myself in Australia. But I don't remember if they had any roundabouts ...

And I don't even want to think about driving myself in the famous Swinden roundabout. 🙂

Hey team,

 

I wanted to close the loop on this one, as I managed to get some feedback. 

 

With regards to the UNII-3 band in the EU, while some EU countries allow UNII-3 (mainly the UK at this time), the entire EU does not behave as a "harmonized domain". Some countries will allow for UNII-3 usage but at such a low power that it is effectively useless for wireless communication. Therefore, at this time, we do not certify for UNII-3 on the EU(CE) profile.

 

To add some more context, the EU has always been treated as a single regulatory domain (CE), which means that the APs have been certified to operate in the entire regulatory domain in the same way regardless of the country. Historically, UNII-3 has not been part of the bands that APs could leverage, due to the low power requirements imposed by the European community when using the band. We are in early stages of adoption here, so it may take some time before we start seeing this make its way into the regulatory domain itself. 

 

In this case, I'd say provide the feedback through a feature request on Dashboard (Give your feedback button on the bottom right); it's good to highlight the use cases, so that our product management team can better understand if/how/when to implement this in the future.

 

Thank you all!

Giac

 

 

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cmr
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Thank you for the explanation @GiacomoS   I'm guessing that Cisco hasn't realised that the UK left the EU almost two years ago, but I'll let them know via the feedback button 😉

GiacomoS
Meraki Employee

Wait, when did that happen?! I need to watch the news more! 😜

 

I hear you @cmr , I'm not an expert on the certification procedures, but I think there's a lot of admin and bureaucracy required thanks to the UK not being part of the EU anymore. To my awareness, the regulatory domain has not yet been "split" and I'm unsure of how this is being/going to be tackled at a political level. 

Let's hope that we'll have some better clarity soon, so we can watch the blossoming of UK Telecoms 😄

 

Giac

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Joe360
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The regulatory domain now shows as UK instead of CE. Comparing a UK site to a German one

Does this mean UNII-3 may become available soon to the MR36 / Z3 and other units?

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I did try raising this a support ticket back in June and was asked to submit it as a feature request, which didn't get a response. Below are the Ofcom articles stating when the regulations changed.

 

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0032/98159/5p8-Regs.pdf from 2017 where 5725-5850 MHz are permitted

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0036/198927/6ghz-statement.pdf from January 2020 where 5725-5850 have DFS requirements removed.

Joe

Hey @Joe360 ,

 

As I mentioned previously there needs to be a certification process before anything actually changes. These can take some time to happen, especially since the UNII-3 band is not widely available in Europe yet (or to be precise, it is still dedicated to just SRDs). 

 

The feature requests would not normally get a response, as it is a way for our product development team to collect your feedback and prioritise new features and products accordingly. I'd recommend to keep on leveraging it, including the context of why you think this would be beneficial for your company and/or customers, so a strong case can be built.

 

Hope this helps!

 

Giac

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